WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.680 --> 00:00:04.591 Good evening, everyone. 2 00:00:04.591 --> 00:00:12.313 I am very happy to have this opportunity to welcome President of Russia 3 00:00:12.313 --> 00:00:15.296 Vladimir Putin here in Rome. 4 00:00:15.296 --> 00:00:20.285 His last visit to Italy was in 2015, 5 00:00:20.285 --> 00:00:25.406 four years ago. And I am glad to use this opportunity to welcome him 6 00:00:25.406 --> 00:00:32.053 with the same hospitality as he showed me in October [2018] 7 00:00:32.053 --> 00:00:33.929 when I visited Moscow. 8 00:00:36.289 --> 00:00:46.616 On my own behalf and on behalf of the Italian government, 9 00:00:46.616 --> 00:00:53.504 I conveyed our condolences on the death of the 14 members 10 00:00:53.504 --> 00:01:00.058 of the submarine crew as well as the dozens of flood victims. 11 00:01:00.058 --> 00:01:04.466 Our meeting was very positive and warm-hearted. 12 00:01:04.466 --> 00:01:11.508 Our work will continue in a little while because we will move 13 00:01:11.508 --> 00:01:16.896 to a different venue where dinner will be held with many 14 00:01:16.896 --> 00:01:21.474 representatives of civil society, because, as you well know, 15 00:01:21.474 --> 00:01:29.128 recently the Civil Society Forum has concluded at the Foreign Ministry, 16 00:01:29.128 --> 00:01:33.889 where the ties between our countries at all levels have been reaffirmed. 17 00:01:33.889 --> 00:01:36.744 President of Russia Vladimir Putin and I have emphasised the excellent 18 00:01:36.744 --> 00:01:47.363 relations our countries enjoy despite the conditions related 19 00:01:47.363 --> 00:01:52.105 to the European sanctions against Russia. 20 00:01:52.105 --> 00:01:54.865 It is a very complicated global moment. 21 00:01:54.865 --> 00:01:59.993 Bilateral relations between Italy and Russia are in our mutual 22 00:01:59.993 --> 00:02:05.795 interests. Italy is the second largest European producer and should not 23 00:02:05.795 --> 00:02:10.943 be afraid of globalisation but seize every opportunity. 24 00:02:10.943 --> 00:02:14.901 And Russia, of course, provides important opportunities 25 00:02:14.901 --> 00:02:17.294 for our companies and enterprises. 26 00:02:17.294 --> 00:02:21.930 I would like to mention only two facts: Russia is our fifth export 27 00:02:21.930 --> 00:02:30.372 market outside the EU, involving 500 Italian companies and enterprises. 28 00:02:30.372 --> 00:02:37.769 The year 2017 saw our trade returning to growth, 29 00:02:37.769 --> 00:02:44.195 which continued in 2018; but we can work harder in this area. 30 00:02:44.195 --> 00:02:51.139 The joint opportunity to establish the Cassa Depositi e Prestiti 31 00:02:51.139 --> 00:02:56.442 investment platform and its Russian partner would enable us to provide 32 00:02:56.442 --> 00:03:04.476 new support to Italian companies that want to work in various areas, 33 00:03:04.476 --> 00:03:08.044 with a focus on small and medium-sized businesses 34 00:03:08.044 --> 00:03:10.158 and innovative start-ups. 35 00:03:10.158 --> 00:03:16.879 We also enjoy excellent cooperation in culture and science. 36 00:03:16.879 --> 00:03:22.959 I have reminded President Putin that I highly appreciate the fact that 37 00:03:22.959 --> 00:03:26.995 Italian is very popular in Russian schools. 38 00:03:26.995 --> 00:03:36.713 It is already taught at 50 schools as well as at various 39 00:03:36.713 --> 00:03:40.625 centres and universities. 40 00:03:40.625 --> 00:03:45.158 We also collaborate through universities in various spheres. 41 00:03:45.158 --> 00:03:51.544 We also had a chance to discuss international issues of mutual 42 00:03:51.544 --> 00:03:55.918 interest. It is obvious that Russia plays a fundamental, 43 00:03:55.918 --> 00:03:59.795 important role in responding to global challenges 44 00:03:59.795 --> 00:04:04.633 threatening Europe, Russia and the entire world. 45 00:04:04.633 --> 00:04:15.638 At the G20 summit in Osaka, we said we believed Moscow to be a vital 46 00:04:15.638 --> 00:04:20.821 element in finding ways to address the main regional principles. 47 00:04:20.821 --> 00:04:28.096 President Putin and I said that these ways must be sustainable and, 48 00:04:28.096 --> 00:04:31.189 first of all, political. 49 00:04:31.189 --> 00:04:38.005 This is why we intend to rely on constructive decisions and cooperation 50 00:04:38.005 --> 00:04:41.932 with Russia in all international contexts together with our partners. 51 00:04:41.932 --> 00:04:44.944 In particular, we discussed Libya. 52 00:04:44.944 --> 00:04:57.187 We said that a threat to stability and balance could further escalate 53 00:04:57.187 --> 00:05:02.885 the situation, which may result in a humanitarian crisis as well 54 00:05:02.885 --> 00:05:06.587 as the introduction of the terrorist elements and a threat 55 00:05:06.587 --> 00:05:07.968 to energy facilities. 56 00:05:07.968 --> 00:05:16.300 We have spoken about the need to continue supporting the United Nations 57 00:05:16.300 --> 00:05:24.694 and working together to find a way to switch to talks 58 00:05:24.694 --> 00:05:30.953 as soon as possible. We believe that an inclusive political process 59 00:05:30.953 --> 00:05:41.158 involving the united international community is required to cease fire 60 00:05:41.158 --> 00:05:47.762 immediately and achieve a long period of peaceful development for Libya. 61 00:05:47.762 --> 00:05:52.332 We also discussed the Syrian crisis: considering our geographic 62 00:05:52.332 --> 00:05:56.601 proximity and the scale on which the crisis is affecting our region, 63 00:05:56.601 --> 00:05:59.319 this topic is important for Italy. 64 00:05:59.319 --> 00:06:04.565 It is necessary to find a long-term solution to this problem using 65 00:06:04.565 --> 00:06:12.911 inclusive and pragmatic political means in conformity with UN Security 66 00:06:12.911 --> 00:06:15.418 Council Resolution 2254. 67 00:06:15.418 --> 00:06:22.018 We hope that together with UN Special Envoy Pedersen we will be able 68 00:06:22.018 --> 00:06:25.163 to involve all the participants in the dialogue. 69 00:06:25.163 --> 00:06:32.389 In this spirit, we also discussed issues related to the crisis 70 00:06:32.389 --> 00:06:38.108 in Ukraine, which must be settled as soon as possible. 71 00:06:38.108 --> 00:06:41.876 This is related to the fundamental relations between 72 00:06:41.876 --> 00:06:44.753 the European Union and Russia. 73 00:06:44.753 --> 00:06:52.107 Continuing with this dispute may result in losing the trust 74 00:06:52.107 --> 00:06:58.029 and the rules elaborated in the 25 years of our dialogue. 75 00:06:58.029 --> 00:07:04.849 Today there is no alternative to the full implementation 76 00:07:04.849 --> 00:07:07.966 of the Minsk Agreements. 77 00:07:07.966 --> 00:07:13.025 I would like to reaffirm that Italy believes the Normandy format to be 78 00:07:13.025 --> 00:07:15.271 very important, as well as the trilateral [contact group] 79 00:07:15.271 --> 00:07:20.402 within the OSCE. We think that the new presidential mandate 80 00:07:20.402 --> 00:07:26.646 the Ukrainian people gave to Mr Zelensky opens up new opportunities 81 00:07:26.646 --> 00:07:30.108 in this area, which must be seized. 82 00:07:30.108 --> 00:07:40.685 We also discussed the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty. 83 00:07:40.685 --> 00:07:45.894 We believe that everyone must do what is necessary to make 84 00:07:45.894 --> 00:07:54.282 a contribution to addressing the task of using this treaty 85 00:07:54.282 --> 00:07:58.869 in the dialogue. Addressing this task is of utmost importance. 86 00:08:03.409 --> 00:08:08.615 Mr Prime Minister, ladies and gentlemen, 87 00:08:08.615 --> 00:08:14.711 I entirely agree with my colleague Mr Giuseppe Conte 88 00:08:14.711 --> 00:08:18.844 and his assessment of our talks. 89 00:08:18.844 --> 00:08:23.333 They were very business-like and constructive. 90 00:08:23.333 --> 00:08:28.713 The same is true of the in-depth talks with Italian 91 00:08:28.713 --> 00:08:31.689 President Sergio Mattarella. 92 00:08:31.689 --> 00:08:35.337 During the visit, the entire range of issues on bilateral cooperation 93 00:08:35.337 --> 00:08:39.608 was reviewed in detail and a number of international 94 00:08:39.608 --> 00:08:42.243 and regional affairs were touched on. 95 00:08:42.243 --> 00:08:48.100 Russian-Italian ties have traditionally been mutually beneficial. 96 00:08:48.100 --> 00:08:50.593 There is an ongoing political dialogue. 97 00:08:50.593 --> 00:08:55.637 We were pleased to receive Mr Conte in Moscow in 2018. 98 00:08:55.637 --> 00:09:05.527 Last April, we met in Beijing. We recently talked “on the go” in Japan. 99 00:09:05.527 --> 00:09:08.328 Contacts are being maintained between the two countries’ governments, 100 00:09:08.328 --> 00:09:13.002 parliaments, business communities and members of the public. 101 00:09:13.002 --> 00:09:18.256 Much attention was attached to economic cooperation during our talks. 102 00:09:18.256 --> 00:09:22.304 Italy is an important trading partner. 103 00:09:22.304 --> 00:09:25.043 In 2018, trade between the two countries increased 104 00:09:25.043 --> 00:09:29.996 by almost 13 percent to $27 billion. 105 00:09:29.996 --> 00:09:37.190 I would like to remind you that that figure for 2013 was $54 billion. 106 00:09:37.190 --> 00:09:40.287 This is something we should be striving for. 107 00:09:40.287 --> 00:09:45.251 Accumulated cross-investment has reached $7.5 billion. 108 00:09:45.251 --> 00:09:48.877 As the Prime Minister has said, 109 00:09:48.877 --> 00:09:51.807 some 500 Italian companies and banking organisations are represented 110 00:09:51.807 --> 00:09:54.138 on the Russian market. 111 00:09:54.138 --> 00:09:57.485 The Russian-Italian Council on Economic, 112 00:09:57.485 --> 00:10:01.817 Industrial and Monetary Cooperation is quite active. 113 00:10:01.817 --> 00:10:05.665 An impressive delegation of Italian business captains attended 114 00:10:05.665 --> 00:10:08.856 the recent St Petersburg Economic Forum. 115 00:10:08.856 --> 00:10:14.199 We hope that next year Italy will become a partner of our major 116 00:10:14.199 --> 00:10:19.187 international trade fair Innoprom 2020 that will take place 117 00:10:19.187 --> 00:10:22.514 in the Russian city of Yekaterinburg. 118 00:10:22.514 --> 00:10:26.444 Our countries have built up a wealth of experience 119 00:10:26.444 --> 00:10:28.774 in the field of energy cooperation. 120 00:10:28.774 --> 00:10:31.918 Fifty years ago, we signed our first contract on supplying 121 00:10:31.918 --> 00:10:34.807 natural gas to Italy. 122 00:10:34.807 --> 00:10:39.983 Russia is the largest exporter of gas to the Italian market. 123 00:10:39.983 --> 00:10:45.532 Last year Italian consumers received almost 23 billion cubic metres, 124 00:10:45.532 --> 00:10:50.195 which is 35 percent of this economy’s demand. 125 00:10:50.195 --> 00:10:55.810 Italian funding and technology are involved in Russian energy projects 126 00:10:55.810 --> 00:11:00.345 such as Yamal LNG, Arctic LNG 2 and the construction 127 00:11:00.345 --> 00:11:03.102 of the Amur Gas Processing Plant. 128 00:11:03.102 --> 00:11:07.825 Together we are developing oil and gas fields in Russia 129 00:11:07.825 --> 00:11:09.872 and in third countries. 130 00:11:09.872 --> 00:11:15.013 I would like to note that this is billions of dollars in investments. 131 00:11:15.013 --> 00:11:17.606 Our major projects include industrial cooperation. 132 00:11:17.606 --> 00:11:21.151 I would like to highlight the construction of an ammonium plant 133 00:11:21.151 --> 00:11:25.025 in Leningrad Region that was put into operation a month ago. 134 00:11:25.025 --> 00:11:28.023 The project received $1 billion in investments. 135 00:11:28.023 --> 00:11:32.456 A Russian-Italian electric motor company in Chelyabinsk is 136 00:11:32.456 --> 00:11:35.890 reaching its full capacity. 137 00:11:35.890 --> 00:11:42.055 Italian companies are largely involved in infrastructure projects such 138 00:11:42.055 --> 00:11:47.463 as extensive road construction in northwestern and southern Russia. 139 00:11:47.463 --> 00:11:51.470 We are expanding our bilateral links in high technology. 140 00:11:51.490 --> 00:11:55.462 According to our cooperation programme until 2023, 141 00:11:55.462 --> 00:12:02.204 Russian and Italian research institutes will collaborate in such fields 142 00:12:02.204 --> 00:12:06.222 as genetics, medicine and pharmaceutics. 143 00:12:06.222 --> 00:12:12.232 We are completing the preparations for an Italian astronaut’s upcoming 144 00:12:12.232 --> 00:12:15.760 flight to the ISS, scheduled for July 20. 145 00:12:15.760 --> 00:12:18.891 Cultural and humanitarian links are an important part 146 00:12:18.891 --> 00:12:21.368 of Russian-Italian relations. 147 00:12:21.368 --> 00:12:25.226 Russia provided its assistance in restoring the city of L'Aquila after 148 00:12:25.226 --> 00:12:28.375 the disastrous earthquake in 2009. 149 00:12:28.375 --> 00:12:34.143 In particular, we helped to restore unique cultural heritage sites, 150 00:12:34.143 --> 00:12:37.974 including the Ardinghelli Palace and the San Gregorio Church. 151 00:12:37.974 --> 00:12:42.158 We hope that in November a delegation from Italy will attend the St 152 00:12:42.158 --> 00:12:44.853 Petersburg International Cultural Forum. 153 00:12:44.853 --> 00:12:47.838 We are forging ties between the State Hermitage museum 154 00:12:47.838 --> 00:12:50.958 and the Venice municipality. 155 00:12:50.958 --> 00:12:54.187 We continue our cooperation within the Hermitage-Italy 156 00:12:54.187 --> 00:12:56.679 cultural and research centre. 157 00:12:56.679 --> 00:13:00.384 Taking this opportunity, I would like to congratulate our Italian 158 00:13:00.384 --> 00:13:05.766 friends on their successful bid to host the 2026 Winter Olympics. 159 00:13:05.766 --> 00:13:08.645 We are ready to assist them in every way, 160 00:13:08.645 --> 00:13:13.172 considering our recent experience of hosting the Olympics in Sochi. 161 00:13:13.172 --> 00:13:15.156 I certainly have to note that for Russians, 162 00:13:15.156 --> 00:13:19.239 Italy is one of their favourite travel destinations. 163 00:13:19.239 --> 00:13:24.201 Last year, more than a million Russian tourists visited your country. 164 00:13:24.201 --> 00:13:27.757 The number of trips made by Italians to Russia is also increasing. 165 00:13:27.757 --> 00:13:31.583 Discussing current international issues, 166 00:13:31.583 --> 00:13:36.974 we exchanged views on the future of Russia-EU relations, which, 167 00:13:36.974 --> 00:13:41.118 in our opinion, should develop only on the principles of equality, 168 00:13:41.118 --> 00:13:44.027 mutual respect, and on the basis of genuine common 169 00:13:44.027 --> 00:13:46.780 interests of all Europeans. 170 00:13:46.780 --> 00:13:50.585 We agreed to continue coordination on the peace process in Libya, 171 00:13:50.585 --> 00:13:53.570 as Mr Prime Minister said, where, unfortunately, 172 00:13:53.570 --> 00:13:56.967 the situation is getting worse, terrorist activity is increasing, 173 00:13:56.967 --> 00:13:59.325 and the number of victims is on the rise. 174 00:13:59.325 --> 00:14:01.823 In our mutual opinion, it is important that the Libyan 175 00:14:01.823 --> 00:14:06.109 military-political forces establish a ceasefire, 176 00:14:06.109 --> 00:14:10.565 open a channel for dialogue, and make efforts to resume the political 177 00:14:10.565 --> 00:14:14.629 process with the ultimate goal of overcoming the split in the country 178 00:14:14.629 --> 00:14:19.829 and building unified effective state institutions. 179 00:14:19.829 --> 00:14:24.186 We have certainly reviewed the situation in the region 180 00:14:24.186 --> 00:14:25.877 and talked about Ukraine. 181 00:14:25.877 --> 00:14:27.856 I would also like to say a few words about some 182 00:14:27.856 --> 00:14:30.750 of the other events that took place today. 183 00:14:30.750 --> 00:14:34.742 In the morning, I had a meeting with Pope Francis. 184 00:14:34.742 --> 00:14:37.649 We discussed issues concerning the development of relations between 185 00:14:37.649 --> 00:14:41.668 Russia and the Vatican, and we agreed to pay special attention 186 00:14:41.668 --> 00:14:43.522 to cooperation in the field of culture, 187 00:14:43.522 --> 00:14:46.249 education and healthcare. 188 00:14:46.249 --> 00:14:49.279 We discussed the matter of protecting the Christian population 189 00:14:49.279 --> 00:14:53.232 of the Middle East and humanitarian assistance in Syria. 190 00:14:53.232 --> 00:14:55.862 It is important that the positions of Russia and the Vatican are 191 00:14:55.862 --> 00:14:59.503 harmonious in what concerns the protection of traditional values, 192 00:14:59.503 --> 00:15:04.239 and the promotion of interreligious, inter-civilisational dialogue. 193 00:15:04.239 --> 00:15:10.785 Mr Conte and I will also meet with representatives of the Civic Society 194 00:15:10.785 --> 00:15:15.983 Dialogue Forum, which resumed its work after a six-year break. 195 00:15:15.983 --> 00:15:19.352 The forum is designed to promote broader contacts between 196 00:15:19.352 --> 00:15:22.940 representatives of the public, as well as science, culture, 197 00:15:22.940 --> 00:15:24.688 and business communities. 198 00:15:24.688 --> 00:15:28.543 A large number of prominent entrepreneurs from Russia and Italy are 199 00:15:28.543 --> 00:15:31.036 taking part in the forum. 200 00:15:31.036 --> 00:15:35.580 In general, we expect to support the forum in every way, 201 00:15:35.580 --> 00:15:40.374 promoting its activities and regular meetings. 202 00:15:40.374 --> 00:15:43.485 In conclusion, I would like to thank all of our Italian friends 203 00:15:43.485 --> 00:15:46.614 and colleagues for their joint work and for their very warm 204 00:15:46.614 --> 00:15:48.884 and sincere welcome and hospitality. 205 00:15:48.884 --> 00:15:50.081 Thank you. 206 00:16:13.481 --> 00:16:20.417 I have a question for both President Putin and Prime Minister Conte 207 00:16:20.417 --> 00:16:27.870 regarding trade agreements that were signed with China, 208 00:16:27.870 --> 00:16:33.220 specifically because the United States and some European 209 00:16:33.220 --> 00:16:34.763 partners criticised them. 210 00:16:34.763 --> 00:16:38.899 A question for President Putin. 211 00:16:38.899 --> 00:16:47.392 What do you think of Ursula von der Leyen’s appointment as President 212 00:16:47.392 --> 00:16:51.151 of the European Commission considering that she was critical 213 00:16:51.151 --> 00:16:54.747 of Russia’s international policy? And are you disappointed that during 214 00:16:54.747 --> 00:16:57.906 his visit to the United States, after his meeting with Mike Pompeo, 215 00:16:57.906 --> 00:17:04.255 Matteo Salvini softened his stance and asserted that Russia must take 216 00:17:04.255 --> 00:17:08.180 steps forward when it comes to Ukraine? 217 00:17:08.180 --> 00:17:12.394 We are already used to the fact that Russia is expected 218 00:17:12.394 --> 00:17:15.071 to take some steps forward. 219 00:17:15.071 --> 00:17:19.816 We are very patient and understanding about it. 220 00:17:19.816 --> 00:17:23.245 We are grateful to Italy for its opinion, 221 00:17:23.245 --> 00:17:29.789 which is that it is necessary to restore the full scale of our 222 00:17:29.789 --> 00:17:31.031 relations with the European Union. 223 00:17:31.031 --> 00:17:34.740 We can see the Italian government’s efforts towards this result and we 224 00:17:34.740 --> 00:17:36.019 are thankful for that. 225 00:17:36.019 --> 00:17:40.637 We understand that Italy is bound by certain obligations within various 226 00:17:40.637 --> 00:17:44.387 integration bodies in Europe and NATO, 227 00:17:44.387 --> 00:17:48.567 so we do not have any specific complaints against our Italian friends. 228 00:17:48.567 --> 00:17:54.402 But we hope that Italy will express its view consistently, 229 00:17:54.402 --> 00:18:01.445 clearly and will fight for what has been repeatedly stated publicly, 230 00:18:01.445 --> 00:18:06.196 that is, a complete return to normal relations between 231 00:18:06.196 --> 00:18:08.190 Russia and Europe. 232 00:18:08.190 --> 00:18:11.967 As concerns Ms von der Leyen, it is not our role to make 233 00:18:11.967 --> 00:18:17.432 any judgements here. It is up to European citizens. 234 00:18:17.432 --> 00:18:22.051 We all know that her previous position was Minister of Defence. 235 00:18:22.051 --> 00:18:25.417 We do not know yet how she will handle the new job. 236 00:18:25.417 --> 00:18:33.812 We hope that Europe’s interest in restoring fully functional relations 237 00:18:33.812 --> 00:18:40.262 with Russia will be important for the future leadership 238 00:18:40.262 --> 00:18:42.107 of the European Union. 239 00:18:42.107 --> 00:18:50.570 In 2013, our trade with the EU was worth $450 billion and now it is 240 00:18:50.570 --> 00:18:53.038 $279 billion, I believe. 241 00:18:53.038 --> 00:18:58.987 Where are the missing $150 billion, 242 00:18:58.987 --> 00:19:03.979 where are they? I will tell you: this is lost profit not only for us 243 00:19:03.979 --> 00:19:05.535 but for the European countries as well, 244 00:19:05.535 --> 00:19:09.924 including Italy. It means that the European countries did not supply 245 00:19:09.924 --> 00:19:14.188 our market with goods worth billions of dollars. 246 00:19:14.188 --> 00:19:20.080 It means that new jobs were not created or existing jobs were lost. 247 00:19:20.080 --> 00:19:22.866 People did not get their wages and all levels of the budget system did 248 00:19:22.866 --> 00:19:25.772 not receive a certain amount of taxes. 249 00:19:25.772 --> 00:19:28.566 This is what it means. It is damaging for all of us. 250 00:19:28.566 --> 00:19:34.417 This is why I hope that the new European leadership will take this into 251 00:19:34.417 --> 00:19:38.860 account when developing relations with Russia. 252 00:19:38.860 --> 00:19:43.759 In return, we are ready to cover the part of the road that 253 00:19:43.759 --> 00:19:45.489 depends on us. 254 00:19:45.489 --> 00:19:52.250 I would like to say once again what I said at a meeting with our 255 00:19:52.250 --> 00:19:59.916 Italian friends today: you cannot demand that Russia honour the Minsk 256 00:19:59.916 --> 00:20:02.115 Agreements, for example, in particular things that do not 257 00:20:02.115 --> 00:20:04.642 depend on us in any way. 258 00:20:04.642 --> 00:20:09.134 For example, the Minsk Agreements stipulate full restoration 259 00:20:09.134 --> 00:20:11.720 of economic relations between Donbass and Ukraine. 260 00:20:11.720 --> 00:20:15.465 This calls above all for invalidating the former president’s executive 261 00:20:15.465 --> 00:20:17.469 order on the blockade of Donbass. 262 00:20:17.469 --> 00:20:19.787 It directly contradicts the Minsk Agreements. 263 00:20:19.787 --> 00:20:24.153 Why do you not ask our Ukrainian partners when they will do this? We 264 00:20:24.153 --> 00:20:25.580 cannot do this for them. 265 00:20:25.580 --> 00:20:28.110 I can issue an executive order, 266 00:20:28.110 --> 00:20:36.756 but what would this amount to? Or take the decision on amnesty: the law 267 00:20:36.756 --> 00:20:39.254 has been adopted, but the president has not signed it. 268 00:20:39.254 --> 00:20:40.979 This provision is directly stipulated in the Minsk Agreements. 269 00:20:40.979 --> 00:20:42.136 There are more things like that. 270 00:20:42.136 --> 00:20:45.318 Let us calmly talk about who should do what, 271 00:20:45.318 --> 00:20:49.980 without shifting the entire responsibility onto one of the sides. 272 00:20:49.980 --> 00:20:52.444 In addition, the newly elected President, 273 00:20:52.444 --> 00:20:55.451 who has received a mandate of confidence from the Ukrainian people, 274 00:20:55.451 --> 00:21:00.027 kept saying that he was willing to settle this problem and to launch 275 00:21:00.027 --> 00:21:02.375 dialogue with all those on whom this depends. 276 00:21:02.375 --> 00:21:05.863 But while on a visit to Europe he suddenly said he would not talk with 277 00:21:05.863 --> 00:21:09.088 the separatists, that is, the very people in Donbass with whom he 278 00:21:09.088 --> 00:21:11.171 should launch a direct dialogue. 279 00:21:11.171 --> 00:21:15.902 This contradicts what he said during his election campaign. 280 00:21:15.902 --> 00:21:20.127 Let us wait until the parliamentary election in Ukraine 281 00:21:20.127 --> 00:21:22.719 and see what happens then. 282 00:21:31.679 --> 00:21:39.139 As for talks between China and the United States, 283 00:21:39.139 --> 00:21:43.316 we would like to see them reach an agreement that would suit both 284 00:21:43.316 --> 00:21:47.362 sides. We are not a party to this process, 285 00:21:47.362 --> 00:21:52.118 but we can say with confidence that if no agreement is reached – 286 00:21:52.118 --> 00:21:55.596 this is not our opinion but the opinion of international experts 287 00:21:55.596 --> 00:21:58.188 and major international organisations – 288 00:21:58.188 --> 00:21:59.502 if no agreement is reached, all of us will suffer, 289 00:21:59.502 --> 00:22:01.500 the international economy as a whole will be damaged. 290 00:22:01.500 --> 00:22:08.320 In this case, international trade will plummet by 17 percent by 2024 291 00:22:08.320 --> 00:22:14.620 and global GDP will slump by 2 percent. It will be bad for all of us. 292 00:22:14.620 --> 00:22:18.395 Therefore, I believe we must do everything in our power to ensure that 293 00:22:18.395 --> 00:22:20.350 these agreements are reached. 294 00:22:20.350 --> 00:22:24.620 The policy of politically driven restrictions, 295 00:22:24.620 --> 00:22:30.698 sanctions and unilateral tariffs must stop. 296 00:22:30.698 --> 00:22:34.651 We must learn to come to agreements. 297 00:22:34.651 --> 00:22:37.318 I am aware of the Chinese leaders’ position. 298 00:22:37.318 --> 00:22:42.201 They have been quite flexible in a bid to reach an agreement. 299 00:22:42.201 --> 00:22:46.018 Let us wait and see what this comes to in practice. 300 00:22:49.798 --> 00:23:00.677 This is only a remark concerning agreements and memorandums 301 00:23:00.677 --> 00:23:06.128 of understanding, signed between Italy and China. 302 00:23:06.128 --> 00:23:13.528 We did not discuss this today because, as you may recall, 303 00:23:13.528 --> 00:23:19.743 President Putin and I took part in the Forum in Beijing 304 00:23:19.743 --> 00:23:22.285 regarding a new Silk Road. 305 00:23:22.285 --> 00:23:27.032 We discussed this new infrastructure and the opportunity 306 00:23:27.032 --> 00:23:31.861 for Italy to participate in this project. 307 00:23:31.861 --> 00:23:38.826 Regarding the anti-Russia sanctions, 308 00:23:38.826 --> 00:23:47.091 I would simply like to say that my government has taken a very 309 00:23:47.091 --> 00:23:51.678 consistent position from the outset, 310 00:23:51.678 --> 00:23:57.128 and that it will continue to insist on this position. 311 00:23:57.128 --> 00:24:00.944 I have always made my position very clear. 312 00:24:00.944 --> 00:24:05.656 We believe that sanctions are not the goal. 313 00:24:05.656 --> 00:24:12.582 We believe that the sanctions will have a transitional nature, 314 00:24:12.582 --> 00:24:17.565 and that Italy as a country will work to create the prerequisites 315 00:24:17.565 --> 00:24:23.864 for overcoming this state of relations between Italy and Russia, 316 00:24:23.864 --> 00:24:26.592 the European Union and Russia. 317 00:24:26.592 --> 00:24:33.323 This state no longer benefits Russia, the European Union or Italy, 318 00:24:33.323 --> 00:24:39.224 which otherwise might be able to improve its economic 319 00:24:39.224 --> 00:24:40.854 and trade relations. 320 00:24:40.854 --> 00:24:46.730 As I have already said, it is necessary to create the prerequisites 321 00:24:46.730 --> 00:24:50.344 for achieving our goal, and various conditions 322 00:24:50.344 --> 00:24:54.291 and circumstances should also mature. We will work to this end. 323 00:24:54.291 --> 00:25:03.956 We are not directly involved in the Normandy Format, 324 00:25:03.956 --> 00:25:11.890 but we are always ready to take part in ensuring the prerequisites 325 00:25:11.910 --> 00:25:14.368 for a more effective dialogue. 326 00:25:14.368 --> 00:25:21.147 There will be a meeting of the NATO-Russia Council tomorrow, 327 00:25:21.147 --> 00:25:26.576 and we would like to see prerequisites emerge so that forums 328 00:25:26.576 --> 00:25:29.736 and dialogues between the European Union and Russia can be 329 00:25:29.736 --> 00:25:31.350 held in the future. 330 00:25:49.110 --> 00:25:50.433 I have a question for both leaders. 331 00:25:50.433 --> 00:25:53.082 If I may, I would like to continue with my Italian colleague’s question 332 00:25:53.082 --> 00:25:55.726 about relations between Russia and the EU. 333 00:25:55.726 --> 00:26:00.380 You have already said that it is necessary to change the relations, 334 00:26:00.380 --> 00:26:04.567 and many countries are also saying this. 335 00:26:04.567 --> 00:26:08.198 There have been several decisions emphasising that the situation has 336 00:26:08.198 --> 00:26:10.896 changed, in particular, in PACE. 337 00:26:10.916 --> 00:26:13.199 Do you believe that, given the changes in Brussels, 338 00:26:13.199 --> 00:26:16.618 considering that there will be a new President of the European 339 00:26:16.618 --> 00:26:19.941 Commission as well as of several other European agencies, 340 00:26:19.941 --> 00:26:24.752 there is a chance to change the situation? Are there any prospects? 341 00:26:24.752 --> 00:26:28.848 I also have a question for the Italian Prime Minister. 342 00:26:28.848 --> 00:26:33.006 How great a role is Italy ready to play in the matter? Perhaps a more 343 00:26:33.006 --> 00:26:37.159 important one, a leading role, like a locomotive? Thank you. 344 00:26:40.439 --> 00:26:43.434 It does not depend on Russia. 345 00:26:43.434 --> 00:26:46.401 I have already said that we are ready to go our part of the way, 346 00:26:46.401 --> 00:26:53.317 of course, if we do not have to face artificial obstacles along it. 347 00:26:53.317 --> 00:26:56.762 There are always chances, there are always prospects. 348 00:26:56.762 --> 00:27:02.914 We are natural partners in several fields. 349 00:27:02.914 --> 00:27:10.424 We are close geographically, we share a common civilisational code; 350 00:27:10.424 --> 00:27:19.611 I cannot see such obstacles on the way towards restoring our relations 351 00:27:19.611 --> 00:27:20.713 that cannot be overcome. 352 00:27:20.713 --> 00:27:24.075 However, I repeat, many things will also depend on our 353 00:27:24.075 --> 00:27:25.647 European partners. 354 00:27:26.927 --> 00:27:32.642 Let me say that when President Putin, our friend Vladimir, 355 00:27:32.642 --> 00:27:38.161 says that not everything depends on Russia, he is being too modest, 356 00:27:38.161 --> 00:27:47.306 because in fact Russia can play an important role to overcome this. 357 00:27:47.306 --> 00:27:49.407 Of course, as I have already said, 358 00:27:49.407 --> 00:27:52.765 it is necessary to create conditions to be able to establish a climate 359 00:27:52.765 --> 00:27:55.518 of mutual trust to move ahead. 360 00:27:55.518 --> 00:27:59.276 What role can Italy play? I have already said this. 361 00:27:59.276 --> 00:28:06.513 Italy is not directly involved in the activities of the Normandy group, 362 00:28:06.513 --> 00:28:16.229 but I said at the meeting – and this goes for other European partners, 363 00:28:16.229 --> 00:28:22.656 too, – that Italy is always inclined towards a dialogue 364 00:28:22.656 --> 00:28:25.622 and an inclusive approach and in this sense, 365 00:28:25.622 --> 00:28:33.229 Italy can play a beneficial role in this situation. 366 00:28:33.229 --> 00:28:39.918 Every time we near the date when the sanctions should expire, I am sad, 367 00:28:39.918 --> 00:28:46.157 because prolonging them is not what I wish for myself, 368 00:28:46.157 --> 00:28:49.805 for Italy or for my Russian friends. 369 00:28:49.805 --> 00:28:53.468 Now we have another six months: alas, 370 00:28:53.468 --> 00:28:57.817 we have just extended the sanctions for another six months, 371 00:28:57.817 --> 00:29:01.103 but we still have time. 372 00:29:10.063 --> 00:29:11.543 I have a question about Libya. 373 00:29:11.543 --> 00:29:21.485 Today, Tripoli said it would shut down a refugee camp, 374 00:29:21.485 --> 00:29:27.030 and Moscow is predicting a possible civil war in Libya. 375 00:29:27.030 --> 00:29:34.307 President Putin, will Russia continue to support Field Marshal Haftar 376 00:29:34.307 --> 00:29:38.405 in the context of this hypothetical scenario? 377 00:29:38.405 --> 00:29:46.730 And a question for Mr Conte: is Italy ready to cope with this possible 378 00:29:46.730 --> 00:29:51.661 threat, when 8,000 refugees are expected to arrive? 379 00:29:53.901 --> 00:29:58.785 We have had a practical discussion of this matter today. 380 00:29:58.785 --> 00:30:01.918 We talked about this in the Vatican, 381 00:30:01.918 --> 00:30:08.674 as well as with the President and Prime Minister of Italy. 382 00:30:08.674 --> 00:30:12.055 This matter was discussed many times. 383 00:30:12.055 --> 00:30:16.113 Here is what I would like to say at the outset. 384 00:30:16.113 --> 00:30:23.859 A question about what Russia should do and what it will or will not do 385 00:30:23.859 --> 00:30:26.977 is very important, but, to be honest, 386 00:30:26.977 --> 00:30:32.731 it would be good to recall how it all began. 387 00:30:32.731 --> 00:30:40.748 Who destroyed Libyan statehood? To the best of my knowledge, 388 00:30:40.748 --> 00:30:46.653 NATO made that decision and European aircraft bombed Libya. 389 00:30:46.653 --> 00:30:51.348 The result is here for everyone to see: Libyan statehood 390 00:30:51.348 --> 00:30:58.179 has been destroyed. We are witnessing chaos and a struggle between 391 00:30:58.179 --> 00:31:02.797 various paramilitary groups there. 392 00:31:02.817 --> 00:31:07.419 I do not believe it is Russia’s duty to make any decisive contribution 393 00:31:07.419 --> 00:31:08.650 to the peace settlement. 394 00:31:08.650 --> 00:31:12.606 Let us ask those whose actions created the situation. 395 00:31:12.606 --> 00:31:13.230 This is my first point. 396 00:31:13.230 --> 00:31:15.290 Secondly, we are not shying away from this, 397 00:31:15.290 --> 00:31:19.106 but we do not want to focus on this problem completely. 398 00:31:19.106 --> 00:31:21.759 We have stable relations with the government of Fayez 399 00:31:21.759 --> 00:31:25.639 al-Saraj and with Mr Haftar. 400 00:31:25.639 --> 00:31:30.738 Both of them have been to Moscow and both of them have been to Rome. 401 00:31:30.738 --> 00:31:36.828 We believe that that it is necessary to stop the armed standoff as soon 402 00:31:36.828 --> 00:31:39.870 as possible (I noted this in my speech) 403 00:31:39.870 --> 00:31:44.375 , to launch dialogue and to agree on how to build 404 00:31:44.375 --> 00:31:50.640 and reinstate Libyan statehood. All of us are interested in this. 405 00:31:50.640 --> 00:31:57.111 I am particularly concerned that militants are infiltrating Libya from 406 00:31:57.111 --> 00:32:02.104 the Idlib zone in Syria, and this is a threat to everyone because they 407 00:32:02.104 --> 00:32:08.027 can go anywhere else from Libya. So let us not forget about this. 408 00:32:08.027 --> 00:32:11.773 We are ready to pool our efforts, including with our Italian friends, 409 00:32:11.773 --> 00:32:17.766 to help resume dialogue between the warring parties in Libya 410 00:32:17.766 --> 00:32:23.131 and to help the people of Libya to restore the normal 411 00:32:23.131 --> 00:32:26.178 operation of state institutions. 412 00:32:33.538 --> 00:32:39.505 Regarding Libya: as you know, it is a strategic dossier for Italy. 413 00:32:39.505 --> 00:32:45.812 We are permanently monitoring the situation and quite recently, 414 00:32:45.812 --> 00:32:55.898 I managed to discuss the subject of Libya with many G20 415 00:32:55.898 --> 00:32:58.021 leaders during the summit. 416 00:32:58.021 --> 00:33:00.845 I attempted to convince my interlocutors, 417 00:33:00.845 --> 00:33:05.271 and we also talked about this with President Putin today, 418 00:33:05.271 --> 00:33:13.344 we agreed that a military solution would lead nowhere, 419 00:33:13.344 --> 00:33:20.487 it creates instability and there is no doubt that it is the cause 420 00:33:20.487 --> 00:33:24.785 of the humanitarian crises, which are hard to keep under control. 421 00:33:24.785 --> 00:33:28.831 I can say that Italy is one of the few countries 422 00:33:28.831 --> 00:33:32.203 (maybe this is why we Italians, and I personally, 423 00:33:32.203 --> 00:33:36.164 know this matter concerning Libya all too well) – 424 00:33:36.164 --> 00:33:40.334 we could instantly sum things up, 425 00:33:40.334 --> 00:33:46.099 which allowed us to predict what was going to take place. 426 00:33:46.099 --> 00:33:48.892 Alas, we were good prophets. 427 00:33:48.892 --> 00:33:57.244 A military solution in this specific context could not have led 428 00:33:57.244 --> 00:34:05.907 to unification, but on the contrary, 429 00:34:05.907 --> 00:34:13.074 currently we are witnessing a dramatic situation because terrorists 430 00:34:13.074 --> 00:34:19.186 and extremists are much more radical. 431 00:34:19.186 --> 00:34:29.584 I fully agree with President Putin: it is a real civil war, 432 00:34:29.584 --> 00:34:34.551 armed clashes, more or less serious, 433 00:34:34.551 --> 00:34:40.145 but anyway what we see is a civil war. 434 00:34:40.145 --> 00:34:47.855 And a humanitarian crisis is just around the corner. 435 00:34:47.855 --> 00:34:50.089 Masses of people have lost their lives and there are very many 436 00:34:50.089 --> 00:35:02.994 refugees. And I can only say that I will continue to work both with 437 00:35:02.994 --> 00:35:10.675 my friends and with people at the international level so that 438 00:35:10.675 --> 00:35:20.494 the international community can unanimously make the Libyan players 439 00:35:20.494 --> 00:35:24.733 come to a political decision and cease fire. 440 00:35:24.733 --> 00:35:29.204 After this, we can create conditions for talks in order to discuss 441 00:35:29.204 --> 00:35:33.185 the details of such a possible dialogue. 442 00:35:33.185 --> 00:35:41.960 As for Al-Sarraj, I am calling on Al-Sarraj to fulfil a highly 443 00:35:41.960 --> 00:35:49.826 challenging job: he should take responsibility and make all possible 444 00:35:49.826 --> 00:35:56.808 efforts to prevent the total outburst of a humanitarian crisis. 445 00:36:04.068 --> 00:36:07.008 Today, you have listed many critical situations, 446 00:36:07.008 --> 00:36:09.235 but Venezuela is yet another country. 447 00:36:09.235 --> 00:36:13.632 Did you discuss the situation there? Do you think that the crisis 448 00:36:13.632 --> 00:36:15.444 in this country has been overcome? 449 00:36:15.444 --> 00:36:16.769 And another question, Mr President, 450 00:36:16.769 --> 00:36:19.543 about your meeting in the Vatican. 451 00:36:19.543 --> 00:36:22.350 Could you say a few more words about what was discussed 452 00:36:22.350 --> 00:36:24.807 and specific agreements? Thank you. 453 00:36:27.867 --> 00:36:32.937 I have already said that we have indeed discussed this subject at all 454 00:36:32.937 --> 00:36:36.103 venues, that is, at the Vatican, 455 00:36:36.103 --> 00:36:39.409 with the President of the Italian Republic and with 456 00:36:39.409 --> 00:36:43.586 my colleague and friend, the Prime Minister. 457 00:36:43.586 --> 00:36:46.787 All of us are concerned about the situation in Venezuela. 458 00:36:46.787 --> 00:36:49.208 The Russian side is also extremely concerned about this. 459 00:36:49.208 --> 00:36:51.953 What I want to say is that people are suffering, 460 00:36:51.953 --> 00:36:56.936 and this is an established fact. There are many refugees. 461 00:36:56.936 --> 00:36:58.493 People are leaving because life is not going well for them 462 00:36:58.493 --> 00:37:00.741 and because there are domestic problems. 463 00:37:00.741 --> 00:37:04.814 We are no less concerned about foreign interference in Venezuelan 464 00:37:04.814 --> 00:37:08.891 problems and the external pressure that aggravates 465 00:37:08.891 --> 00:37:12.337 the plight of Venezuelan citizens. In my opinion, 466 00:37:12.337 --> 00:37:13.445 this is unacceptable. 467 00:37:13.445 --> 00:37:17.721 Military involvement is unacceptable and must be totally ruled out, 468 00:37:17.721 --> 00:37:19.774 and the same is true of any other interference in domestic 469 00:37:19.774 --> 00:37:20.794 political life. 470 00:37:20.794 --> 00:37:24.089 Yes, we have a good relationship with President Maduro. 471 00:37:24.089 --> 00:37:27.079 And, of course, this relationship was established long ago. 472 00:37:27.079 --> 00:37:30.321 We delivered military equipment to that country, 473 00:37:30.321 --> 00:37:34.311 we maintain economic and energy cooperation, 474 00:37:34.311 --> 00:37:37.350 we have invested billions of dollars there, 475 00:37:37.350 --> 00:37:42.445 and we are concerned about how the situation will develop regarding 476 00:37:42.445 --> 00:37:46.761 the normalisation of relations between the opposing parties. 477 00:37:46.761 --> 00:37:52.017 I can almost quote what I said at all these venues during 478 00:37:52.017 --> 00:37:56.294 our talks today. Thus, opposition leader, Mr Guaido, 479 00:37:56.294 --> 00:37:58.711 came out into a square, looked into the sky, 480 00:37:58.711 --> 00:38:03.731 addressed the Almighty and proclaimed himself President. 481 00:38:03.731 --> 00:38:09.460 Fine, but the Almighty did not give us his response to this appeal, 482 00:38:09.460 --> 00:38:12.005 he did not send us any message. 483 00:38:12.005 --> 00:38:16.501 Therefore, I believe it is necessary to return to our sinful and frail 484 00:38:16.501 --> 00:38:24.066 Earth and be guided by democratic procedures and rules that boil down 485 00:38:24.066 --> 00:38:29.526 to one thing, namely, dialogue and an appeal to the people and voters. 486 00:38:29.526 --> 00:38:32.063 It is necessary to take part in elections and to address matters 487 00:38:32.063 --> 00:38:35.201 of future development during elections. 488 00:38:35.201 --> 00:38:40.221 We welcome the dialogue launched between the government 489 00:38:40.221 --> 00:38:43.504 and the opposition in Norway, and we hope that decisions seen 490 00:38:43.504 --> 00:38:47.564 as mutually acceptable by all of the country’s political forces will be 491 00:38:47.564 --> 00:38:52.599 elaborated during this dialogue without any outside interference, 492 00:38:52.599 --> 00:38:56.144 and that these decisions will help normalise the situation. 493 00:38:56.144 --> 00:38:59.771 As we know, President Maduro has repeatedly voiced his readiness 494 00:38:59.771 --> 00:39:02.380 to conduct dialogue with the opposition. 495 00:39:04.480 --> 00:39:06.555 A few words about Venezuela. 496 00:39:06.555 --> 00:39:10.793 As was said, we talked a lot about Venezuela. 497 00:39:10.793 --> 00:39:16.344 This is a crisis that caught our attention, because, 498 00:39:16.344 --> 00:39:22.312 as I reminded President Putin, a community of Italian origin is there, 499 00:39:22.312 --> 00:39:25.487 there is an Italian-speaking community living there, 500 00:39:25.487 --> 00:39:29.884 and therefore we are particularly sensitive to what is 501 00:39:29.884 --> 00:39:31.771 happening in Venezuela. 502 00:39:31.771 --> 00:39:38.175 In this regard, the Italian position has not changed either. 503 00:39:38.175 --> 00:39:44.294 From the very beginning, the Italians took a very clear position. 504 00:39:44.294 --> 00:39:53.421 And even some countries that at first adopted a markedly different 505 00:39:53.421 --> 00:39:57.700 position to Italy’s, later changed their minds. 506 00:39:57.700 --> 00:40:03.377 From the very beginning, we spoke about the fact that, 507 00:40:03.397 --> 00:40:07.506 alongside other countries of the European Union, 508 00:40:07.506 --> 00:40:15.131 we did not consider that the presidential election was held reliably 509 00:40:15.131 --> 00:40:19.702 and under fully democratic conditions. 510 00:40:19.702 --> 00:40:24.406 Therefore, we did not recognise Maduro as President. 511 00:40:24.406 --> 00:40:34.083 But at the same time, we had doubts about the self-proclamation 512 00:40:34.083 --> 00:40:41.834 of Guaido as interim President of the Republic, 513 00:40:41.834 --> 00:40:50.983 recognising him as the President of the National Assembly. 514 00:40:50.983 --> 00:40:55.418 This is also a situation of stagnation. 515 00:40:55.418 --> 00:40:59.290 A window of dialogue is open in Norway, 516 00:40:59.290 --> 00:41:01.235 as President Putin reminded us. 517 00:41:01.235 --> 00:41:06.156 We also played our part in this, 518 00:41:06.156 --> 00:41:10.296 sent diplomatic delegations. 519 00:41:10.296 --> 00:41:19.847 And we are doing our best to accelerate the process of transition 520 00:41:19.847 --> 00:41:28.159 to democracy or to create conditions for democratic, 521 00:41:28.159 --> 00:41:31.850 transparent elections to be held as soon as possible. 522 00:41:31.850 --> 00:41:36.373 This is all in order to provide this country and this people, 523 00:41:36.373 --> 00:41:40.801 who suffer so much, with opportunities to restore the situation. 524 00:41:41.941 --> 00:41:45.847 As for the talks in the Vatican, 525 00:41:45.847 --> 00:41:47.200 I have already spoken about them. 526 00:41:47.200 --> 00:41:50.456 It was a very warm conversation on certain issues of an international 527 00:41:50.456 --> 00:41:53.795 nature, as well as on the development of bilateral relations between 528 00:41:53.795 --> 00:41:58.436 Russia and the Vatican, including the spiritual aspect 529 00:41:58.436 --> 00:42:01.225 of this interaction and humanitarian ties. 530 00:42:01.225 --> 00:42:02.317 Thank you. 531 00:42:04.677 --> 00:42:05.814 Thank you very much everyone.