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The next subject is Ukraine.

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Have you seen the ”Servant of the People“ series?

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No.

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Even the segment when president Goloborodko is choosing 

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a wristwatch like Putin's?

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I haven't seen it. I don't know either Goloborodko or who is choosing 

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what there. I haven't seen it.

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Ok. Though a very interesting pair forms: a galley slave 

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and a servant of the people.

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As you know, whatever goes around comes around.

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Ultimately, it’s not how you call yourself,

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it’s what you do and how you do it.

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Is there a chance that you come to terms with Zelensky?

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What about?

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About peace, about friendship.

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Hope is the last thing to die. Yes,

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there is a chance. But unfortunately,

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after his return from Paris he started talking about the necessity 

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to revise the Minsk Agreements. This begs the question.

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Nevertheless, we managed to agree on the exchange of detained persons 

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and we now managed to agree on gas.

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Does the fact that today we are not friends with Ukraine 

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represent a loss for us?

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Yes, of course, but as I have repeatedly said I believe 

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that we are one and the same people.

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The Ukrainians don't like it very much either.

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I don't know whether they like this or not but if you look 

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at the reality that is true.

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You see, we had no difference in our languages until 

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the 11th, 12th and 13th centuries.

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And only as a result of Polonization,

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the part of the Ukrainians who lived in the territory under 

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the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth,

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only around the 16th century the first language differences appeared.

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In general, the Ukrainians [with an accent on the first a] 

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were called the people who lived …

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Ukrainians [with an accent on the first i].

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Ukrainians [with an accent on the first a] were the people who lived 

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on the frontiers of the Russian state.

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There were Ukrainians in Pskov;

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Ukrainians were the people who defended the southern frontiers from 

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attacks by the Crimean khan. Ukrainians were in the Urals.

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Ukrainians were everywhere. We had no language differences.

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Moreover, around the same time, before the 14th and 15th centuries,

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even those people, the east Slavs,

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who lived in the territory of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth –

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both in Muscovy and in Poland –

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were called Russians.

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The first language differences appeared much later…

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History is history, but now we are talking about the present day.

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To talk about today or tomorrow we need to know history,

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need to know who we are, where do we come from, what unites us.

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What unites us is…

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Now many things divide us.

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Many things divide us.

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But we should not forget about things that unite us.

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And should not destroy what we have. For example,

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the Church. Why did one need to destroy the unity 

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of the Russian Orthodox Church?

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You know that the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate 

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is in fact fully autonomous; it has been fully autonomous before,

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including in terms of the election of hierarchs of the Ukrainian 

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Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate.

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The Moscow Patriarchate has never had any influence on the election 

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of hierarchs of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Moscow 

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Patriarchate.

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In fact, it has always been independent,

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completely. There has been only spiritual unity and mentioning.

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The Patriarch of Moscow has been mentioned,

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recalled all the time in churches.

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That's it! It has been the only thing uniting the Russian Orthodox 

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Church and the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate.

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But they needed to cut the cords that bind. Why?

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You say people do not understand. They simply do not know it.

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If they know, they will understand better. They should be told that.

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Why should one be embarrassed? Is it insulting for people?

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Some time passed. As a result of people sharing the border with 

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the Catholic world, with Europe,

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a community of people feeling to some extent independent from 

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the Russian State began to emerge.

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How should we feel about that? I have already said: we 

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should respect that. But we should not forget about our 

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shared community.

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Moreover, in the modern world our joint efforts give us 

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huge competitive advantages. And, vice versa, division makes us weaker.

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The Ukrainian factor was specifically played out on the eve of World 

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War I by the Austrian special service.

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Why? It is well-known – to divide and rule. Absolutely clear.

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Nevertheless, if it happened this way,

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and a big part of the Ukrainian population got a sense of their own 

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national identity and so on, we should respect that.

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We should proceed from the reality but not forget who we 

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are and where we come from.

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By the way, the fathers of the Ukrainian nationalism,

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they never spoke about the urgent need to break up with Russia.

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Strange as it may seem, but their major works of the 19th century say 

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that Ukraine is: a) multinational and should be a federal state, and b)

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should build good relations with Russia.

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Today’s nationalists seem to have forgotten that.

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I will tell you why they have forgotten that.

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You know why? Because the interests of the Ukrainian people 

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are not the main issue on their agenda.

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How can it be the interest of the Ukrainian people if the break-up with 

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Russia has led to loss of space engineering, shipbuilding,

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aircraft engineering and engine manufacturing;

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it is virtually the deindustrialization of the country that is 

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happening. How can it be among interests?

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The World Bank demands to stop cross-subsidizing.

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What's good in it? Or, they make them export round wood 

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from the Carpathians. Soon the Carpathians will turn bald.

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Why do this if, by joining efforts,

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we increase our competitive advantages manifold? Why lose it?

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Why throw everything away, what for?

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Because the Ukrainian leaders or those who got power 

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pursued their self-interests.

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And what were they? It was not even to earn more by robbing 

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the Ukrainian people but to retain what has been plundered 

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before. This was the main objective.

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So, where is the ‘dough’? Pardon my French.

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Where is the money? In foreign banks.

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What do they need to do for this? Show that they serve 

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those who have this money.

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Hence, the only thing they sell is Russophobia.

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Because some like dividing Ukraine and Russia,

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they believe it's a very important mission.

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Because any integration of Russia and Ukraine,

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along with their capacities and competitive advantages,

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would lead to the emergence of a rival,

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a global rival for Europe and the world. No one wants it.

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That's why they'll do anything to pull us apart.